How can you not love this?
Can you say “oxymoron”? It seems so many residents flip-flop faster than fresh fish just pulled from the water. It’s laughable.
Every time there is a post on the Second Life Blog, the venters and whiners crawl out of the woodwork to bitch about Linden lab “not” fixing Second Life. “Stop adding features and stabilize the grid” they proclaim. I’ve always claimed (and I’m obviously not alone in this) that one should very carefully consider what they wish for… before making that wish. They may just get it.
Remember when concurrency was creeping toward 10,000? The grid was unstable as hell. The premiums where bitching to Linden Lab, exclaiming the grid is choking because of all the ‘freebie’ [now known as 'basic'] accounts. That LL should ‘throttle’ logins, allowing premiums to have priority and make the basics wait.
Ummm, hello? There is no way for the system to know whether you are a premium or basic account until after you are logged-in. Unless, of course, serious computing load is added by creating a list that is checked before login – and as you login, you are checked against that list (as you wait five minutes for your account to be verified and allowed to login before everyone else.)
Well, they got their wish.
Now all logins are throttled during heavy periods. You know, when you crash and try to relog and Second Life viewer tries to login… then you get the message telling you to wait five minutes? Well, guess where Linden Lab got the idea.
That was a requested feature by all the bitching malcontents. [Laughs hard].
So, when Linden Lab explains that the grid status posts will be moved to a separate blog, so many bitch about it. but it actually makes a lot of sense.
They complain that the grid is unstable and scream “FIX IT! STOP ADDING FEATURES!” when the Havok 4 engine is introduced. Why? Because Havok 4 is a ‘feature’ – but Havok 4 helps stabilize the grid!
Huh? What? Yes, they bitch about Havok because it is a feature, but they don’t even realize that feature answers a lot of the bitching they’ve been making. You simply cannot satisfy some people. They are whining victims for life.
So, with all the complaints about the database constantly borking as of late, people are demanding Linden lab fix it. People also complain about the group system not always working correctly, that it is unstable and so many rely on these.
So, Linden Lab comes up with an amicable solution that has the least detrimental impact on everyone and… and…
hypatia Says:May 5th, 2008 at 7:59 PM
“ergh, nerfing the use of groups isnt exactly the way to fix them. How about giving us some better functionality before just taking away features?”
[Okay. to be fair, I quoted Hypatia because it's the perfect comment that I just know all the bitchers and whiners are all so tempted to scream. This does not mean Hypatia was part of any previous complaining to Linden Lab and if she was, I've never noticed it.]
It’s just such an ironic comment. People are so afraid to change. They get comfortable and then resist change when it is for the better, even if it is the solution to their own gripes.
All LL is doing is to set group notices to expire after 14-days instead of 31 days, and setting them to not distribute more than 200 group notices a day (though this affects very few groups.) So why do people complain about this change, when it helps to make the grid run better? How many people even know that they can go in to look at past notices in groups?
To all of you who complain about the grid being unstable: thank you for telling us and bringing it to Linden Lab’s attention. Please tell us something we don’t know. And please remember that everything in life is give and take. You will never, ever get anything for nothing. You must be prepared to sacrifice something to gain something else.
It’s as though you expect to get your cake and eat it, too. How conceited.
So, as for the Second Life blog being separated from the Grid Status announcements… it simply fits. Linden lab is slowly moving toward hosting. You’ll be able to host your own region on your own hardware soon enough, and plug-in to Linden Lab’s Grid. So it it’s sensible that grid status be place on the Linden Lab’s “Grid” web site.
If I am doing this and for some reason my region isn’t seeing the rest of the grid, I know where to go to check the grid status. I couldn’t care any less about all the other LL crab on the LL blog. I want status and that’s all.
Not to mention, status reports are usually closed on the blog, so if you really think about it – it’s just a waste of ‘blog’ space. They are simply bulletins and intended to be simple bulletins. Not discussions.
It just makes sense.
OMFG! Did I let that word out?
Wow, did I ever slip up, actually suggesting that something should make sense. How dare I do such a thing?!
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“Now all logins are throttled during heavy periods. You know, when you crash and try to relog and Second Life viewer tries to login… then you get the message telling you to wait five minutes? Well, guess where Linden Lab got the idea.”
The reason you get that message is because the sim/grid hasn’t logged your account off yet. It can’t tell the difference between a sudden burst of network latency and the viewer crashing so it has to wait on a time-out.
In addition, logging off causes all of your attachments to be reuploaded to the asset server. If the sim you were on happens to have a stalled connection to the asset server, you’ll be pending log-off until that clears up.
The 5 minute delay is due to the above and nothing more. It’s an attempt to keep people from hammering the log-on server while the account is still trying to log off. If you ignore it, you’ll get back in the second that succeeds.
If the sim’s connection stalls indefinitely you’ll just see the message repeat again and again, each time jumping ahead by 5 minutes until the problem goes away or you get support to give you or the sim the boot.
It has nothing to do with throttling log-ins which has been a common practice for years now and was an absolute necessity right after the old “update wednesday” downtime.
That’s not the only factual mistake in your post though. Particularly where it concerns “complaining about the complainers” you’d want to make sure you get your facts right.
[smiles]
Yes, your statements are correct and {part} of the issues. The system takes about 30-seconds to decide the connection is broken.
Attachments are not ‘uploaded’ to the server. In all nothing is really downloaded. Whenever anything required from the asset server is needed, the server is queried with UUID requests, the server responds with the description and your viewer assembles it.
This is why every time you login or teleport somewhere, your attachments must be reassembled (and sometimes end-up in your derrière – the reason is known, but beyond the scope of our discussion.)
Once the system determines your connection is broken, it adds time to throttle your return. Yes, in part to allow the systems to ‘reset’ themselves with regard to your account.
I don’t claim everything I say to be fact, complete or otherwise. But if the “fact” word will be used, then as you say, they should be complete and correct.
So set that part of it all aside as the point of the discussion isn’t as much about how the system works as it is about people complaining about problems, then complain about the fix to the problems they complain about.
However, it is a free country (where I sit anyway) and they have that right. And they will go on complaining because the endorphins caused feel good. But the fact is, it’s not bad enough that they choose to give-up and leave.
It’s just plain fun to watch.
It’s not really fair to pick on Hypatia, though. She works closely with Honey Fairweather on Fashion Consolidated, which is a MASSIVE group in SL. I think there’s about 7400 members, and it was created as a workaround for the 25 group limit. They’ve hardly been idle bitchers, as so many are. If you check the JIRA, you will see that Honey herself has filed PLENTY of JIRA tickets relating to group functionality, and most of them make a lot of sense. Most of the also have a lot of votes and are more than a year old and still unassigned.
Overall, I don’t think the new group changes will really affect anyone much at all, even a group like FashCon that really does send hundreds of notices a month. I just wanted to chime in from their side, because I think Hypatia really got the short end of the stick in both the SL blog comments and, to a lesser extent, your post.
Thank you, Thaumata.
I only ask that you please read my editorial below Hypatias comment, where I mention that I am only using her comment as a simple example and that I do not believe she is one of the regulars as far as negative posts go.
If I did not make that clear enough, then I apologize openly and publicly to her and you and anyone else who may misunderstand.